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Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Well once again im just going to say this New AI update and AoE running away junk is the worst idea I have ever heard of. I'm not going to say anything because I already said it. READ MY LAST POST, "DON'T BLAME THE GOOD GW PLAYERS CAUSE YOUR BUILDS ARE TERRIBLE!" or something like that. Well Reply to me please I want your intelligent opinions please! Good night Tryia, maybe when we wake up this nightmare patch will be replaced. lol.

Sincerly, Scaper

Loralai · Nov 12, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

If this has already been pointed out, my apologies. (I've read enough the last two days, I'm not going through these pages as well.)

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After numerous requests, I'll go ahead and put up a poll on the latest update.

Savio: This will be my ONLY warning: flame at all and you will be one step closer to the banstick. If I delete your post don't repost it.
Petitions for the update:
http://new.petitiononline.com/frosty/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/qd22556/petition.html
Petition against the update:
http://new.petitiononline.com/gw101105/petition.html

I do believe you may want to double check that information. The second petition listed as "for" the update, is actually against it.

unienaule · Nov 12, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Uh, scaper, other builds can do the same thing. It's not my fault you've never played or seen any of them.

Willy Rockwell · Nov 12, 2005, 11:34 AM // 11:34

I don't think it is logical that enemies would move out of the way of area weapons. If there are meteors where they are standing they would assume there are meteors everywhere else.

aron searle · Nov 12, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

My .2

Even if only 20 or 15% of people are absouloutly not happy with this update, is it healthy to pizz of 20 or 15% of your game population. (Its 37% as i type this)

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Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Uh, scaper, other builds can do the same thing. It's not my fault you've never played or seen any of them.

When you mean same thing do you mean FA farming? By the way if you want to know what the peps are talk about, press the Quote Button next to Reply to make my message at top, so people know what your talk about. IF your talk about FA farm, and your saying that some other build can kill a mob in less than 1 min let me know. Cause most FA Farm groups 2 echos 1 prot 1 heal 1 tank, work very very well in FA cave! That is BEFORE they NERFED it with the UPDATE of AoE running junk Stop saying some other builds can when you can not name any them! Why I not heard of any of them? Cause they don't work that is why!

Sincerly, Scaper

Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by aron searle

My .2

Even if only 20 or 15% of people are absouloutly not happy with this update, is it healthy to pizz of 20 or 15% of your game population. (Its 37% as i type this)

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Actually you got it backwards, only less than 20 percent of people or 15 percent actually LIKE this update. The first 3 categories basically say They DID NOT LIKE IT. If you read real carefully the first 3 say they did not like some part of it. Which means the first 3 categories mean those people were either very or moderaltey dissatisfied. Hence, If you add up the percentages its more like over 80 percent don't like something about the update!

Therefore, HELL NO this update is NOT POPULAR at ALL!

Sincerly, Scaper

unienaule · Nov 12, 2005, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Scaper, do those builds work now, in that amount of time? Nope. So your posts are as relevant as ones talking about Thunderclap when it was bugged. It doesn't work that way anymore, so it doesn't really matter.

Oh, and you're wrong about the percentage thing too.

I don't like this update, but am willing to accept it with some adjustment.
I think the idea behind the patch is good, but was implemented poorly.
This update is great, I like it the way it is.

If you'd read those, they say that they WANT THE UPDATE to stay in some form.

Savio · Nov 12, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Loralai

I do believe you may want to double check that information. The second petition listed as "for" the update, is actually against it.

Corrected; I blame Lasareth.

Trinity Entragian · Nov 12, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Scaper

Actually, You are blaming other players that have better builds. In my biggest post I explain this, but let me repeat it again. Why are you asking the good builds to switch over? The Question you need to ask is WHy the uneffective builds not Switching over? It has nothing to do with preferrenes its merely effectiveness.

For example, when FA farming, before they nerfed nukes, I was Ele/Mo. It took me about an average of 3 mins or more to kill one enemy. When I became and echo nuke it took about, lets see less than 1 min. So when I say I'm good its at killing, Its a fact not an opinion. The same with the builds its just a Fact: Some builds are just more effective and some are not! Simple as that!

If you don't want to change your build to be more effective for such little money thats find. But that is exactly why no one takes you on FA Farms, cause your un effective compared to echo nuke. Sure It does work in some instances, maybe if your going solo. HENCE, your actually contridicting yourself. Your saying basically this is to help team work, but its not is it? When your Echo Nuke your part of a team, and when you Ele/mo mainly being solo, so how this help the team effect?

Sincerly, Scaper

I'm not blaming anyone for the builds they choose to play, and have not asked anyone to change their builds in any way. My whole point has been that ppl. should be allowed to play whatever build they wish. How did you manage to miss that?

As for your Mastery of Echo Nuking...good for you. Enjoy your random PUGS.

Personally, I prefer to do team activities with the various friends on my list, or with my fellow guildies...you know guildies? As in GW.

So you keep going with your PUGs and I'll just keep playing with my friends, and all will be well.

Random thought...

Maybe the answer to fixing class discrimination in GUILD WARS is to eliminate PUGs all together. Make every PvE mission and quest Guild based. hmmm...

Sincerely, Trin

aron searle · Nov 12, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Actually you got it backwards, only less than 20 percent of people or 15 percent actually LIKE this update. The first 3 categories basically say They DID NOT LIKE IT. If you read real carefully the first 3 say they did not like some part of it. Which means the first 3 categories mean those people were either very or moderaltey dissatisfied. Hence, If you add up the percentages its more like over 80 percent don't like something about the update! Therefore, HELL NO this update is NOT POPULAR at ALL!

My point was even if it was only 20%, which its not.

Is that healthy?

Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Scaper, do those builds work now, in that amount of time? Nope. So your posts are as relevant as ones talking about Thunderclap when it was bugged. It doesn't work that way anymore, so it doesn't really matter.

Oh, and you're wrong about the percentage thing too.

I don't like this update, but am willing to accept it with some adjustment.
I think the idea behind the patch is good, but was implemented poorly.
This update is great, I like it the way it is.

If you'd read those, they say that they WANT THE UPDATE to stay in some form.

I fixed that first problem with the relevants by adding BEFORE the Nerf. And percentages I am RIGHT! I said the first 3 percentages, NOT THE LAST 3! the first 3 say that they DO NOT LIKE something about this change the real sense!

Bascially its saying that like this.

Car Dealer:" Do you want buy this car? "

Buyer: "Yeah its good but, it has no radio system. "

Car Dealer: "SO is that a yes or no?"

Buyer:" That would be a NO!"

So add those and that is percentage of people who Dislike the Upate! Please read more carefully before making rude comments or ill report you for insulting me.

Sincerly, Scaper

Savio · Nov 12, 2005, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Ahem. Disagree all you want, but no need to get into a flame war over what the poll says. That goes for all of you.

Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by Trinity Entragian

I'm not blaming anyone for the builds they choose to play, and have not asked anyone to change their builds in any way. My whole point has been that ppl. should be allowed to play whatever build they wish. How did you manage to miss that?

As for your Mastery of Echo Nuking...good for you. Enjoy your random PUGS.

Personally, I prefer to do team activities with the various friends on my list, or with my fellow guildies...you know guildies? As in GW.

So you keep going with your PUGs and I'll just keep playing with my friends, and all will be well.

Random thought...

Maybe the answer to fixing class discrimination in GUILD WARS is to eliminate PUGs all together. Make every PvE mission and quest Guild based. hmmm...

Sincerely, Trin

All the skills have a Certain effectiveness in the game. Like I said Some builds just WORK BETTER THAN OTHERS!Its a FACT Why you say? Well its becuase the skills for some builds suck like hell! I tryed to switch over to Air Spiker (ELE AIR build), Bottom line it SUCKED! I did pratically no dam, and ran out of energy before your can say I GOT NERFED!

Look its just a fact some skills in the game REALLy REALLy suck for some builds ask people who tried them! Like ME! ANd once again im not sure you even read my first LONG post! Making skills like ALL AOE more suckky, is not going to help the problem of making BETTER BUILDS!

Sincerly, Scaper

Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

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Originally Posted by aron searle

My point was even if it was only 20%, which its not.

Is that healthy?

YES it is UNhealth cause this is game of intelligence. We intelligence people understand that they basically Anet screwed all the AoE spells and skills etc. TO HELL! As I understand it that would make me alittle anger yes. Is it not healthy to play this game at all well, so why they making it more difficult for us? And more time consuming? IS that health?

Sincerly, Scaper

unienaule · Nov 12, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

It's not supposed to help you make better builds... it's supposed to make it so fire isn't the only choice.

Scaper, it would help if you didnt put everything in bold with exclamation points and call your opinions facts. I'm not calling mine facts.

dogmanstar · Nov 12, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

I filled out two complaints to NCsoft about new AOE update... the update turned the best game ever to ridiculous pile of crap... i dont see team work in my teams anymore everybdoy runs around try to kill seperate monster... Monsters act like total idiots running around like chicken with heads cut off every single time they take damage... I spend over 700 hours playing that game and trying to perfect my characters... NCsoft with one swift move cut off everything ive been working on... why wouold anyone do something like that to us??? why would they? if they wont reverse that update i can probably play for only like two more days... and then i will have to quit cause i basically hate that game right now... Please NCsoft give us our game back !!! I will pay monthly subscribtion I will buy 2nd account I will buy 2nd chapter!! just bring all back to normal... let me play!

Scaper · Nov 12, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by unienaule

It's not supposed to help you make better builds... it's supposed to make it so fire isn't the only choice.

YOU ACTUALLY TRIED THE OTHER SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FIRE BUILDS>? oh say Air Spiker or Water Ele or Earth junk? THEY REALY REALLy arent that effective. I mean sure can be combined sometimes, but come on why should we have change becasue fire is good. And that is A FACT some builds builds are more effective AT WHAT THEY do! ASK ANYONE WHO has tried to change to something else!

YOU NEED TO PLEASE READ my reasoning in my first POST the LONG ONE! I HATE repeating myself like this again and againg AND AGAIN ! same goes for others who read this!

By the way AoE spells are NOT JUST FOR FIRE alot of them in EARTh ele, some water, and some air. That is why sometimes I run around saying HOMELESS ELE LOOK FOR HOME! Cause if we cannnot utilize AoE spells effectively, alot of Elemental effectiveness goes TO HELL THANKS TO ANET!

Sincerly, Scaper

unienaule · Nov 12, 2005, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Scaper

YOU ACTUALLY TRIED THE OTHER SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FIRE BUILDS>? oh say Air Spiker or Water Ele or Earth junk? THEY REALY REALLy arent that effective. I mean sure can be combined sometimes, but come on why should we have change becasue fire is good. And that is A FACT some builds builds are more effective AT WHAT THEY do! ASK ANYONE WHO has tried to change to something else!
[/I] By the way AoE spells are NOT JUST FOR FIRE alot of them in EARTh ele, some water, and some air. That is why sometimes I run around saying HOMELESS ELE LOOK FOR HOME! Cause if we cannnot utilize AoE spells effectively, alot of Elemental effectiveness goes TO HELL THANKS TO ANET!

Sincerly, Scaper

You picked the wrong person to call earth crap to, man. I've been using earth for the entire game. It's not junk. Here's something for you to try: Enervating charge, Stoning, aftershock. That's a knockdown, weakness, AND a ton of damage, all for no exhaustion. Throw in Ether Prodigy, and you can keep doing that FOREVER. Have you ever tried taking a ward against melee? Keeps monks alive very well. I've never found a better skill to spike monk bosses with than Obsidian Flame. Armor of earth and Kinetic Armor are amazing. I have over one thousand hours in game, and over 950 of them were spent on an earth ele. It's not junk.

Unien Aule

EuT · Nov 12, 2005, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I'm not complaining as a R/E. I somethimes stay standing in a fire storm to charge up my Energy lvl with Strom Chaser (+4 energy add with elemental dmg) activated and ofcourse troll unguent (+8 HP gen) for keeping health up and I'm neither complaining as a R/E cause the damn monsters cant run away from raining arrows with a stance (RtW), prep (KA) and enchanting (CF or CL) loaded on them. Just to bad that KA gets disabled when using Barrage

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My job as an interrupter comes in well now lately

(Which was during GvG and PvP)

Anyhow, a E isnt always meanth to nuke!

The only thing that A'net has to do is inprooving the patch with better solutions for the monsters and maybe that the monster are located elsewhere then the fixed spawns!